Please! Remove the legacy shield from the game!


#187

As far as I know the shields work this way: If your weapon makes 100 damage but your opponent has 20 resistance: Then the shield is absorbing the 20% of the 80 damage (100dmg-20 resistance). It worked this way couple years ago… yes I tested it with a weapon that made constant damage and not like 120-240 kind of shit.
Resistance drain doesn’t matter here since that doesn’t effect the actual damage either.


#189

Guys, please take any arguments to PM, and please stay on topic.

Many thanks.


#190

didn’t ask for your life story…

even world leaders and CEOs yell profanities when they stub their toe or come into a bit of bad luck. in any case you in this thread have expressed frustration that the minority with shields have an advantage over those who don’t. if the word bothers you forget it honestly it was just a throw away statement about the absurdity of everyone’s readiness to call everyone’s posts “provocations” to flame wars these days. just showing how easy it is to impune motive on the other side too.

anyway, while I’m here I’ll make a brief case in favour of shields again, a fuller and no doubt more considered version was produced over multiple posts in the last thread.

In short I don’t think its fair to remove legacy shields because it robs those legacy players of one of the few benefits they still have from years of spending pre-reloaded and because they’re really not that big of a deal anyway.

going back to the days immediately following the reloaded launch many many players came out in droves, including many posting in this thread, complaining about how the spenders had not been adequately compensated for their real money investment in the game up to that point. the few remaining perks are those legacy items which remain useful in some ways, namely the pushback weapons which operate at range 1, double use utility items, 1kg tele and shields. I think considering the massive collective investment legacy players have made to get sm to the point it was able to have this overhaul a few bonuses such as these are justified.

I would agree with you in campaigning for removal if any of these items were so overpowered that nobody could compete with them, however I feel that shields are not that significant. sure, michelle wins the battles she uses shields, but that’s not necessarily because and only because of that shield. she also has claws, plat plates, L-M weaponry and she knows how to pick her battles better than anyone else in the game (as she so often likes to boast). consider this: two mechs with the same torso and weapons, two spartans and a mercy for argument’s sake. now, with that would you rather have plat plates, a claw or a shield? most would take a claw or plat plates over a shield without thought. the shield also has many drawbacks as pointed out by others in the thread that you don’t really consider:

people love to talk about how much more damage the shields can absorb now post reloaded ow the damage is higher. the fail to weigh that with the fact that you also have tho absorb much more energy/heat. the cost of maintaining a shield with current damage outputs forces a lot of energy or heat mods to be added to your mech which could alternatively have been used for more HP. the shield also has its weight ofcourse, and you have to consider before deploying if the amount of damage saved from having it open is worth losing one move which can be spent inflicting more on your opponent - which is a much bigger consideration post reloaded when all battles are short and decisive unlike pre-reloaded where you had much longer battles. so I don’t think when you plug in the numbers and say “this much damage was not taken because of the shield thats so op!” you have fully considered the cost involved.

in any case I am willing to compromise on shields by supporting new ones being made for post-reloaded players. but dont take them away from legacy players. it’s the advantage is not enough to justify robbing legacy players of their few remaining little perks.

this ended up being a much longer response than I intended to write. got lost in the flow I guess.

tl;dr - legacy players deserve some perks, its not that much of an advantage anyway and I think releasing new shields is a fine compromise.


#196

On the other hand, if your provocation is an attempt to spoil my topic, good try! But I will open as many of these topics as necessary.

It was on the cover of the book that you would get dirty it, enough to be closed.

But there is always the possibility of opening others. So many soiled, so many I will open again.


#200

Vicarious annihilated me yesterday because he activated his shield. And to be honest, it didn’t bother me not one bit.

Be happy for long time players that kept their legacy items.

Happy happy happy :smiley:


#202

you’ll notice the part where I was responding to other people. it was a response to people like yeet who hounded E for not punishing michelle for her “provocations”. I thought it was ironic since its pretty obvious your crusade against shields was atleast partially inspired by you losing battles to michelle when she deploys her shield. you say so in this thread that when you find yourself in a match with all else equal but shield you find yourself at a disadvantage - we all know who that’s with. I even made sure to clarify at the end - I didnt want to single you out as “starting it”. I simply wanted to show that its stupid for everyone to jump michelle when I can just as easily paint you as a provocateur. and for like the third fucking time that was just a throw away statement about how silly I find this “you provoking me!!!” culture that seems to have gripped the forum lately. now are you going to continue fixating on unimportant bullshit while claiming I am here to derail the thread or are you going to respond to my actual on topic argument for shields?


#208

thoughts wep? if you truly want to get back on track RESPOND TO THE ACTUAL POINTS I MADE.


#211

Please send a PM to the mods regarding matters that require moderation.

Thank you.


#213

In the spirit of moving forward here @Misfit I will politely request that you edit the post that Wepwawet is upset about.

I humbly ask, but cannot demand this.

Thanks bro.


#215

Oh cmon, it’s not that disturbing…Ai, I quite liked this one. So much for having personal favorites.

anywho, y’all done arguing?

if this ain’t more disturbing LG then uh shit lmfao idk what to tell ya


#216

I’ll cut you a deal.

I’ll remove that part of my post when wepwawet adresses my argument in favour of shields.


#217

Exact! I benefit from the doubt. Because I don´t know any player “Michelle”. Michelle is a personal name of someone from whom I can doubt her existence, because I know absolutely nothing about that person. I only know nicknames here.


#218

just for the record here is michelle confirming thats her name to wep so this denial of her name is exactly as petty and stupid as it seems



#219

As a free member of this community, I have no obligation to respond to any comments. I mean, I answer if I want or I don´t answer if I wont to.

Instead, you are committing a fault by making a bad comment about a member of the community (which in this case is me).

Therefore, according to the rules of the forum, I have no obligation to respond. But his comment should not be there either.

Therefore, there is no deal. Your comment is inappropriate and my request is legitimate.


#220

That might be worse…


#221

Casually getting PFP advice from LG da phone company (jk) and cmon, not this one, the previous one. Which was of Thug Life Patrick, because I for the life of me cannot find a photo that doesn’t “disturb” people ://


#222

if you were serious about wanting to keep the discussion on track I gave you my comments that were on topic for you to respond to. you isntead responded constantly on my use of the word “frustration” while implying I came here to derail the thread. do you have any self awareness?

its exactly as legitimate as me flagging yeet or anyone else who spoke against michelle. if we want to go down that route I can be just as anal and petty with flags to. I’d rather you just responded to my points so we can get this back on track, though. which is why I made that deal - its perfect for you. it gets your thread back on topic while removing that comment you dont like. so why dont you?


#223

“Doubt” is not the same as “denial”. I don´t deny anything, I doubt.


#224

you’re such a pill, Nancy.

if that is your real name.


#225

As much as i would love it… saddly, Lord Gorgon aint my real name… would look great on a business card.